Another gimmick you sometimes see in casinos these days is a game called crapless craps. Crapless craps is a game variant that says, as a rule, that a player can't lose a pass bet on the come out roll. Proudly boast of 'crapless craps,' a craps variant in which the player can not lose a pass bet on the come out roll. If any number other than a 7 is rolled on the come out roll it becomes the point. Play free Craps online for fun. Try new Craps variants or master your strategy without spending money, with no download or registration needed.
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Easily one of the best thread titles I've seen on this board!
Heh heh, hehehe, huh huh, heh heh!
The thread title came from the actual patent document.
The correct title should have been:
NO-CRAP CRAPS: CRAPLESS CRAPS DONE RIGHT.
I do not know how to change my error!
I have a friend who plays Crapsless Craps in Tunica, Ms. He says those tables on weekends have more players than the regular craps tables. I be visiting Tunica next month, so I can see if that is true and ask players why they rather play Crapless than regular craps.
A new No-Craps Craps game. Better than Crapless Craps and as good as regular craps?
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7134660/description.html
explains the No-Crap Craps game that has the SAME HE as regular craps.HERE
The actual patent can be downloaded from the link above from the website for free for those that are interested.
The math behind No-Crap Craps is interesting in the patent.
Stewart N. Ethier has written some very advanced math books and being a Math Professor, obviously knows his 'stuff' well!
The actual patent can be downloaded from the link above from the website for free for those that are interested.
The math behind No-Crap Craps is interesting in the patent.
Stewart N. Ethier has written some very advanced math books and being a Math Professor, obviously knows his 'stuff' well!
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Now I know why Dr. Ethier has this variant as an excessive in his (excellent) book 'Doctrine of Chances'! Anyway, pretty interesting variant, I would play it, since it has the same edge as regular craps.
Now I know why Dr. Ethier has this variant as an excessive in his (excellent) book 'Doctrine of Chances'! Anyway, pretty interesting variant, I would play it, since it has the same edge as regular craps.
It does make for interesting reading.
So a player can NOT lose (crap out) on the come out roll.
Players can bet the pass line or the don't pass. Now 8 point numbers not 10 as with Crapless.
That is different than the normal Crapless Craps where there is no don't side at all.
HA is the same as in regular craps. OK.
Why then would casinos want it if they have to buy new table layouts just to add a few extra bets like place the 2or3, 11or12 etc.
Of course more bets that players make results in more income for the casinos.
Dr. Ethier does not have his game in any casinos.
Is that because he has not tried or he has tried.
After taking a good look at what the new layout would look like....it would not fly!
No pass line bettor would want the words '* Don't Pass and Don't Come: Seven-out after point 11-or12-pays half. '
printed on the table layout.
After taking a good look at what the new layout would look like....it would not fly!
No pass line bettor would want the words '* Don't Pass and Don't Come: Seven-out after point 11-or12-pays half. '
printed on the table layout.
Since that payment rule only affects the Wrong bettors, why would a Right bettor care?
After taking a good look at what the new layout would look like....it would not fly!
No pass line bettor would want the words '* Don't Pass and Don't Come: Seven-out after point 11-or12-pays half. '
printed on the table layout.
I Agree. As you know, I dislike crapless craps to no end in all of its forms. The full 'dark side' of the game is a viable part of the game, and has got to be there in all of its evil glory. Its absence would make a lot of players unhappy. Keep in mind that part of the Reason that John H. Winn (the guy who invented modern craps around 1911 before non-mechanical intellectual property was patentable) also created the full don't side of the game as a countermeasure to inserting loaded dice into a game, and sevening-out all the time: if you can switch sides, or have a mix of players, there'd be no advantage to putting them in a game. And enough players like the dark side.
That's the thing - it is SO very hard to produce a new (or recycled) casino game that would make players happy, it really is. ANYTHING that would turn off a player is a huge problem. It is next to impossible to knock out a regular blackjack table, or a Pai Gow or Crap table with some new game from casino floor space unless it is something absolutely gonzo.
Gaming industry pros themselves have little idea of what games will make it. The only way is to tell is to get ten tables out, and see if any of them are sent back in the following few months. Throw the shit onto the wall and see if the flies come and stay. If they come, then it's good shit, and that's it.
And sometimes the players abandon a game: Deuces Wild Hold 'em fold 'em once had 50% of the casinos in the LV Valley; now it's a miniscule fraction. Mini-pai gow came and went, and Let it Ride, Carribean Stud, Texas hold 'em Bonus all kind of faded.
Why would you think that?
Since that payment rule only affects the Wrong bettors, why would a Right bettor care?
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The word 'seven-out' is spelled out on the layout.
As a pass line bettor I would not like to ALWAYS see the word 'seven-out'!!!
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I Agree. As you know, I dislike crapless craps to no end in all of its forms. The full 'dark side' of the game is a viable part of the game, and has got to be there in all of its evil glory. Its absence would make a lot of players unhappy. Keep in mind that part of the Reason that John H. Winn (the guy who invented modern craps around 1911 before non-mechanical intellectual property was patentable) also created the full don't side of the game as a countermeasure to inserting loaded dice into a game, and sevening-out all the time: if you can switch sides, or have a mix of players, there'd be no advantage to putting them in a game. And enough players like the dark side.
This version of Crapless Craps has a don't pass and don't come bets unlike all the versions currently of CC.
Same HA as regular craps.
It would make a way better version of the existing Crapless Craps games.
Those new bets to buy, place or lay
2or3
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11or12maybe the casinos would like having a bunch of new bets that players would make.
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The word 'seven-out' is spelled out on the layout.
As a pass line bettor I would not like to ALWAYS see the word 'seven-out'!!!
That's an easy fix. Change it to say 'Winning Don't Pass and Don't Come bets on point 11-or-12 pay 1:2'
I said pundits don't know if a game's a winner until it has ten tables installed and doing well.
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If this game gets that, then so much the better for it.
The dark side is there - but it's a bit watered down. No come-out win on crap-2 or 3, half pay on 11 or 12. I'd rather win on 2 or 3.
But you never know.
